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Former Director of APIA Student Affairs Responds to Accusations

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Krystie NguyenBy Krystie Nguyen

(Note from Editor: Last week, AsAmNews reported on the resignation of Krystie Nguyen as director of APIA Student Affairs at the University of Florida. Today we are publishing Nguyen’s side of the story)

There are several articles in the Alligator highlighting the Multicultural and Diversity Affairs (MCDA) office at the University of Florida lately, none of which have been positive.

Unfortunately, my resignation added to the collection of articles on how MCDA is a “toxic environment,” according to the latest Alligator article posted on Friday, March 3rd.

Those from the outside can only imagine what is really going on within MCDA, especially if one were to look at the allegations from UF students and from other directors on why people are resigning from MCDA. I have gone on record about my resignation and stated,  “As I focus on how to move forward in this position, the reality is: I need to take some time for myself to heal in order to be the scholar practitioner I was meant to be in higher education.”

I spent fall semester doing everything I can to overcompensate for the unexpected hurt and changes that occurred in the space, documenting my working hours to be somewhere between 80-100 hours a week. A lot of these hours were spent making sure the students had a home away from home in our APIA suite. As a team, we created and replicated initiatives that bridged the complexities of MCDA’s communities, because for those who continued to live their lives at the intersection of being marginalized and disadvantaged, they still needed us to function for their own safety and well-being.

However, this came at a cost to my personal life as I was going through a separation with my partner, failed to be there for my family’s illnesses, and my own deteriorating mental and physical health. There were definitely signs, even at the beginning of my time at UF, as I suffered from severe chronic hives because of the stress and anxiety. Within the first month, I was hospitalized and had a near death experience because there was no emergency protocol from the leadership team. I was experiencing microaggression from staff that called me “stealthy,” “ninja-like,” and even had to participate in planning an ice-breaker called, “dirty ninja” that a staff member had learned from their time in theater, to highlight how Asian American identities have been included in the discourse of schooling, yet coming from the same individual, they claimed I discriminated against them based on their identity.

Krystie Nguyen is seen on the left

Krystie Nguyen is seen on the left

By mid-October, I felt like I was in Arthur Miller’s The Crucible participating in the “witch” hunt of MCDA.  Allegations were rampant: staff sleeping with student, leadership sexually harassing employees, favoritism, workplace bullying, and discrimination, to name a few. Throughout all of this, the students were my saving grace. They were extremely supportive, and together, we created the APIA family. They referred to me as “mama Krystie,” but things began to change in the spring semester.

There were pressures from outside of APIA which I did not foresee that ultimately, changed our office culture. It was once a caring and compassionate place, and it turned into a production and self-interest space overnight. What ultimately made me decide to resign was when I was preparing to defend my dissertation on February 24th, and my topic is on student suffering in higher education, that I realized, I was not okay with what was going on in MCDA and APIA.

The weekend before I defended, I chose self-care, and resigned on Monday. The false and libelous allegations from students, and their intentions, hurt me deeply, but if we look at the history of MCDA and the rampant allegations of its past, no one should be surprised by the students’ actions. I have worked with underserved and underrepresented students and staff for over a decade, this is the first time I witnessed the detrimental effect of how empowerment can turn into entitlement. But how can we ask a community to resist the hurt and suffering, and to care and heal, if they were never taught to unlearn what they have been socialized to perform?

 

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18 Comments

  1. Vishal says:

    RE: Former director of APIA Student affairs responds to accusations: Throughout all of the pain, it sounds like Krystie really cares about her students.

  2. YT says:

    RE: Former director of aPIA Student Affairs Responds to accusations: “The false and libelous allegations from students, and their intentions, hurt me deeply, but if we look at the history of MCDA and the rampant allegations of its past, no one should be surprised by the students’ actions. I have worked with underserved and underrepresented students and staff for over a decade, this is the first time I witnessed the detrimental effect of how empowerment can turn into entitlement.”

    I find it highly ironic that you are mentioning false allegations from the students when you are sharing some false allegations about MCDA. You keep disregarding the students’ perspective and feelings when you know damn well what you did. Don’t blame MCDA for your lack of leadership and ability to truly care for people. Also, entitlement? You are the definition of entitlement. I’m so disappointed in you.

  3. Gaby says:

    RE: Former Director of APIA Student Affairs Responds to accusations: @Vishal

    It seems that the students Krystie Nguyen claims to have falsely accused her did not like the Alligator article written as well. The took to FB to post a lengthier more accurate statement. I’ve copied it below:

    “I am sharing this because I believe that this new Alligator article still did not encompass the entire story about Krystie Nguyen’s resignation. I know this is really long, but please bear with me. This has not been written by every ambassador of APIA Affairs, but reflects the experiences of several. We cannot speak for everyone. We will only discuss our personal experiences with Krystie Nguyen.

    There are many events that led up to her resignation, with Krystie Nguyen essentially misusing her authority as director and overstepping many boundaries as a professional. Krystie Nguyen has misused her authority through the following:
    • By knowingly asking ambassadors to illegally use the departments P-card;
    • By threatening ambassador’s jobs for seeking rule clarifications from superiors;
    • And by straying from MCDA structure and creating two new paid positions in order to alleviate her own personal workload.

    She has overstepped numerous professional boundaries through the following:
    • By driving wedges in between ambassadors and knowingly turning us against each other;
    • By sharing confidential personal information and personal frustrations about ambassadors with our peers through unprofessional means, such as over text and through personal phone calls;
    • By minimizing and invalidating our personal struggles by comparing them to her own;
    • And by constantly asking ambassadors for inappropriate personal favors.

    Speaking professionally, Krystie Nguyen has asked us as ambassadors to work beyond the hours we are contractually obligated to work and outside of normal business hours. We have never been compensated for overtime but have been forced to work and shamed if we were not working these extra hours. For example, we have been asked to “put aside our unresolved feelings” (as stated in an email she sent us) in order to finish a task that was assigned to Krystie Nguyen by her supervisors. In this instance, we were also accused of not completing our work on time and our leadership was questioned, when all of this work had already been completed by us, but Krystie Nguyen failed to follow through on her own end. These accusations greatly affected each of us personally and academically, as in this instance, all of us had exams the next day. This lack of accountability and the shifting of blame onto students is unacceptable for an APIA Affairs Director.

    In the week prior to Krystie Nguyen’s resignation, she called a meeting at 10 PM on a Monday night, which lasted until 1 AM. We were told that this meeting was absolutely mandatory and that it was an emergency. This was not the first time that mandatory, emergency meetings have been called with little regard for our other obligations and personal wellbeing. Many of us have been shamed numerous times for not being committed enough to APIA Affairs, regardless of the fact that each of us works 15-20 hours in the average week and we are only supposed to work 8.

    At this specific meeting, Krystie Nguyen threatened ambassadors and we realized that both our jobs and our safety were in jeopardy. We were angered and hurt by her attempts to exclude and manipulate one of our ambassadors, which is when we realized that we must meet with higher Student Affairs administration and report these and other injustices. Specifically, we met with Dr. David Parrot and were joined by Dr. Mary Kay Carodine, despite asking to only meet with Dr. Parrot.

    Krystie Nguyen’s actions have caused a severe academic and emotional toll on multiple ambassadors. Many of us are uncomfortable with the hostile and unsafe work environment that now exists in APIA Affairs. The APIA Affairs mission states that we are “dedicated to creating an inclusive and socially just environment where all forms of diversity are respected and recognized as integral to the UF experience”. After spending the year working closely with Krystie Nguyen, we personally believe that she does not embody our mission or values and is unfit to serve as APIA Director. Because of this, we also feel that she should not be able to treat another group of students this way in the future. We would like our side of the story to be shared, and we hope that the Alligator and UF administration will share the entire truth about Krystie Nguyen’s resignation.”

    Link to FB post: https://www.facebook.com/nashrah.ahmed1/posts/10211590214486650

    P.S. AsAmNews did you get photorelease consent from the students in the picture above? If those are two of the students that are accusing Krystie Nguyen about improper conduct and emotional and academic tolls then I don’t think they would appreciate their picture up with her. If the trauma is true, you will be causing potential relapse of trauma or PTSD for the students

    1. Brittainy says:

      RE: Former director of APIA student affairs responds to accusations:I think that it’s very important to hear Krystie’s side of the story, because it shows that she was obviously under an abnormal and extreme amount of duress during this time and with little to no support from her higher-ups. It is to be expected that this could and possibly did spill over into other aspects of her work life. However, understanding the circumstances and mindset of someone is very important, as they are also very much an attribute and causation of what took place, and without taking them into perspective, the assumptions and accusations made against Krystie of her motivations behind the actions are libelous and misleading at best and absolute slander and persecutory at worst.
      Having a problem with Krystie giving her side of the story is a tool to silence Krystie and her truth. THAT is just as damaging, and it shows a unequivocal bias and entitlement. At the end of the day there Krystie is a person just like everyone else and her well being is just as important as the well being of you, myself, and any other person. Personal well being does not have to be mutually exclusive, and you can care about the well being of the students as well as the well being of Krystie.

      In addition to the facebook post that was made, it seems very largely subjective and relative. I can that being a student worker in multicultural affairs, there is a difference in the hours that you are “required” to work vs what you are “supposed” to. 15-20 hours may be a requirement, but I know that depending on the program and event some times my obligation to said program and event would dictate that more than that be done if I cared about the integrity and quality of the product that I was working on. And I can tell you that in the business world, putting in more hours “that you aren’t payed for” is almost ALWAYS a requirement! To say that this is crossing a professional boundary when these things happen DAILY in the professional and collegiate arenas absolutely seems to be a sentiment of entitlement from my view point, and that of many others. I understand that work/life balance is of the up most importance especially as a student, however, that is a personal conquest first! In the first article that was posted in the Alligator, it said that Krystie suggested that a student “take time
      off” now from this facebook post it is said that she “threatened the jobs of students”. That seems like a manipulative and malicious twist of things. It it not uncommon for the suggestion for time off to be made, in both professional and academic venues especially in situations where a person is struggling with proper work/life balance!
      And finally, asking someone for personal favors could signify a level of comfort with a person, and although it does not seem the comfort was mutual, this is much more often the case than it is for it to be a tactic of manipulation and abuse. Especially when Krystie says in her side that she worked hard to make APIA a “family” and felt that it was such! It does seems that boundaries could have been blurred because of a closeness and concern she felt for her students as opposed to a tyrannical, oppressive, or abusive attitude.

      As someone who now studies and works in the field of mental health and is following the career path of a mental health professional, from what I have read, I yet to see anything thing that would fall into the realm of what would be considered “abuse” from a therapist and psychological standpoint. At best maybe some conflicts of interests and questionable decision making. And that is only if the allegations are to be believed whole heartedly at face value.

      And finally Gaby, if the photo was taken with prior knowledge by the students and Krystie for public use or made public, then it is within AsAmNews’ journalistic rights to reuse the photo. It’s not fair to infringe on their rights. And again, as someone with working knowledge of the dynamics of mental health, please refrain from diagnosing trauma and ESPECIALLY PTSD as this is a very serious condition that many do actually suffer from, and nothing that has been published thus far in and of itself is reason to believe causation of this disorder. When you throw these terms around lightly or to fit your narrative you further perpetuate their misuse and misunderstanding, and you further stigmatize those that are affected.

      1. Gaby 2 says:

        RE: Former director of APIa Student Affairs responds to accusations: I would like to point out the following statement “in the business world, putting in more hours “that you aren’t payed for” is almost ALWAYS a requirement!” These are students…there are rules and laws, especially at the higher ed institutions, that prohibit and protect students from working more than their allotted hours because they are students first, and employees second.

        I also don’t think the other Gaby meant anything by posting the Facebook post. They even expressed that they students did not like the Alligator article to begin with, and Brittainy I do agree with you that Krystie is entitled to her side of the story. And I do agree that if the photo is public it is within the right of AsAmNews and Krystie Nguyen to use.

        Also, I don’t think you should refrain from someone using the words trauma and PTSD…freedom of speech right…plus, we don’t know if Krystie or the students actually do currently suffer from trauma from this whole situation. The American Psychological Association defines trauma as” the emotional response someone has to an extremely negative event.” Trauma has many sources that are very serious you are correct. However, trauma may manifest itself through anxiety and incite emotional responses like denial, anger, sadness, etc. I do agree that calling it PTSD is far-reaching because they would have to be re-experiencing the traumatic event on a monthly basis, which it may seem that Krystie endured since she started. As Krystie listed above “staff sleeping with student, leadership sexually harassing employees, favoritism, workplace bullying, and discrimination, etc.” are traumatic events that caused much stress and anxiety to her (TRAUMA). And as “someone with working knowledge of the dynamics of mental health,” and a proponent for sharing stories …you should realize that trauma can be anything to anyone. Let’s not limit ppl’s speech and thoughts now.

        1. Brittainy says:

          RE: Former director of student affairs responds to accusations: Gabby,

          I provided work place examples AND student examples, where if the job is to finish a project and I’m given 15 hours a week sitting inside a room to work on and complete this project, and I do not complete the project as it is part of my job to do, within that time frame, it does not excuse my responsibility to complete the project. This could require looking at logistics at home or sending emails at night when I get off or out of class. If you aren’t able to do your job within the time given to you, then you need to work on managing your time better, work on completeing your tasks at other times, or go and actually explain that you feel the deadlines and work required of you might be too much for you to complete with the time you have available to you. That is the basis and point of my statement. Ive been a student worker. On a voluntary and a paid basis. And it’s more than just showing up to room for 15 hours out the week. You actually have work, requirements and responsibilities! And blaming someone for still holding you to your obligations as a student worker absolutely sounds like someone being entitled! Just because you’ve been there for 15-20 hours a week does not mean you’ve actually done your work. And if you aren’t doing your work, consistently and correctly, that is reason to evaluate your employment, regardless if you’ve physically clocked in for your required hours.
          Again, evaluating your employment because you aren’t doing your job isn’t a threat to you. That is absolutely within reason, AND within scope of hierarchy.

          And of course everyone has freedom of speech. I’m not trying to limit freedom of speech. You have the right to say that the sky is purple all day. You have that freedom and you can of you’d like. But that definitely doesn’t make it TRUE! And my request that you refrain from using the terms also came with the reason that we have no basis to assume either of those things are true in this situation. That is “reaching”! Could it be a possibility, yes. We could sit and discussed for the next year the 1 million possibilities. But that’s all hypotheticals and honestly a poor usage of time. As I’ve said, from reading the Alligator article and from reading the other Gaby’s article that is supposed to provide more clarity, and reading this article, no respectable mental health professional, myself included, would have any reason to assume that anything that took place with the students cause serious emotional trauma (to the point that seeing a picture, could in essence be detrimental and re-traumatizing) and even much less PTSD. The bottom line is there is no basis to assume that either of those extremes are realities in this situation, and when you falsely speak on these things and use these terms put of context it IS actually detrimental to situations where these things ARE proven and to ppl who actually HAVE been diagnosed with these disorders. Your statements are not founded and they can be harmful. THAT is why I said we should refrain from using those terms when there is not sufficient evidence to necessitate their use. You have the freedom to use your speech in harmful ways. I would however suggest that you refrain from doing so.

          And finally, although emotional and mental trauma can manifest itself different to different ppl, saying that anything and everything is traumatic, or that you experienced “trauma” because of the seriousness of the sound of it, for it’s effect, and for to better fit your narrative, is damaging, and abusive in it’s own right.

          Finally the DSM IV which is published by the APA actually defines trauma as “direct personal experience of an event that involves actual or threatened death or serious injury, or other threat to one’s physical integrity; or witnessing an event that involves death, injury, or a threat to the physical integrity of another person; or learning about unexpected or violent death, serious harm, or threat of death or injury experienced by a family member or other close associate (Criterion A1). The person’s response to the event must involve intense fear, helplessness, or horror (or in children, the response must involve disorganized or agitated behavior) (Criterion A2). (p. 463)”

          I understand that long and clinical but it’s the exact textbook definition from the manual that all mental health clinicians use for diagnosis. I posted it it’s entirety as well as the page numbers etc to show it’s NOT as simple as trauma can be anything to anyone. There IS a definition for the word and it IS SERIOUS! Misusing this word as well as saying that you were put “put in danger” are very SERIOUS accusations. And from the information that has been given, there is evidence for these accusations!

          I’m not speaking about anything that may have been done that is a direct violation of policy. Nor is it for me or anyone to discuss other than the higher ups at UF that create, implement, and regulate that policy.

          But to say that someone caused emotional trauma, duress, threatened you, and PUT YOU IN DANGER, then you should be able to provide examples of this. And nothing that has been said so far, is evidence of ANY of these things taking place! THAT is why they are accusations! They have not been proven and ARE NOT facts.
          You don’t get to say someone abused you and traumatized you and put you in danger because you FEEL like saying it, because it garners sympathizers or fits your narrative!

          I’m not saying that we shouldn’t care about the students side or what they feel, or their well being. But I AM saying that making SERIOUS accusations against someone that aren’t founded, and aren’t proven, is malicious and persecutory!

          1. Gaby 2 says:

            RE: Former director of APIA student affairs responds to accusations:Great job Brittainy (you seem to know a lot about this whole situation). You WIN! You’re so great! And I mean it.

            Btw…there are a multitude of limitations for DSM-IV, which you should know, and why it shouldn’t be used as a reference, but you’re the mental health professional, and everyone else here are trolls including me — the biggest troll 🙂 Oh and based off of your entire logic you presented above both Krystie and the students don’t have any evidence to support any of their claims “and their feelings. You just lessened both of their experiences and told both of them their feelings don’t matter, especially in the field of work and institution where undocumented harassment and discrimination, especially verbal, are both pushed aside for lack of proof. We have no idea if either Krystie or the students have sought out counseling for what happened to them, but I guess it doesn’t matter because it’s not traumatic. Well, at least it seems Krystie acknowledges this at least I assume because of her dissertation “topic on student suffering in higher education.” But then again, when I assume things..it just makes and ASS of U and ME…..more me because I’m the trolling, entitled ass.

  4. Vali says:

    RE: Former director of APIA Student Affairs Responds to Accusations: Being around Krystie and MCDA and AASU, (I know) Krystie cared for people. The people who are lashing out at Krystie are privileged people and entitled. Krystie has been there for us and has left her home and office open late because of US, not because of her. Stop joining this Trump like cult and agreeing with these people who are disregarding the fact that Krystie gave everything to her work. Read the article. Can you not see how hurt she is by these alleged statements??? #WhitePrivilege

  5. Gaby 2 says:

    RE: Former director of APIA Student Affairs Responds to Accusation: #AlternativeFacts #FakeNews

  6. Gaby says:

    RE: Former Director of APIA Student Affairs responds to accusations: Sorry, Vali and any others, if you can’t see how her students are hurting as well. I am not saying she isn’t hurt by this, and I am not trying to minimize her feelings. It doesn’t seem right to disregard their hurt.

    Now breaking down the phrase “alleged statements” and “allegations” as used by some others in this comment box. If you are referring to them as accused and not proven statements – as an outsider – one can’t help but think about the accuracy in the statements and examples provided by Krystie Nguyen’s students.

    1) They refer to items such as “p-cards.” In business settings there are many rules on P-card usage. I know as a previous employee for a NGO; not all employees had access to a Purchase Card. First question, why would students even know about a P-card? If they do, why would they make such a bold claim. I doubt the University of Florida allows Federal Work Study or Other-Personal Services students to use or even be near such a powerful charge card.

    2) Seeking rule clarification from superiors. Why is that a bad thing? Why would they even mention that? Again, thinking intuitively, it could possibly mean they got in trouble for doing that..but under what circumstances? Why would they defy their director and seek higher authority? Makes no sense.

    3) They quoted material from emails. Why quote if that email did not truly exist?

    4) Dates & Time. It seems to be a lot of work to go out of their way.

    5) According to the first Alligator article, Krystie Nguyen resigned on Feb. 20th. And from the statement from the students about the late meeting, then going to higher administration VP Carodine and Parrot, and then second Article about Krystie Nguyen is too linear. This APPEARS to be more than a coincidence that Nguyen decided to resign. My sister also completed a PhD, and to think about writing anything including a resignation letter before a defense is out of the question. However, I do understand that Nguyen may just manage her time better. However, for my sister, even replying to emails was placed on hold for her defense.

    And again, I am just noting these from what was presented by the students since they APPEAR to be more than just “alleged statements.”

    According to this post written by Krystie Nguyen herself, it does appear there were multiple factors in her life occurring during her time as AAPI Director. And she seems to attribute all those to her resignation. It definitely does not seem that MCDA at UF is a place that anyone should work in as it produces a toxin that damages conscientiousness. After every thing I’ve read, I am inclined to believe that toxicity of Krystie Nguyen’s work environment led her to mistreating students. It should not be an excuse for a professional, but I would believe that than minimize feelings and call statements from students as “false and libelous allegations.” If they did ever call Krystie as “mama” (again hard to believe if she was only employed their for 6-8 months), then I am sure they weighed the consequence of their speaking up for themselves and each other. And it is totally possible to bounce back from this; however, to do that I feel like Krystie Nguyen must admit to at least one fallacy on her parts because of the statements said.

    Regardless, to disregard any (potential) truths from Krystie Nguyen and her students is inconsiderate. If you did not work in the office with Krystie and those students, how could any of us on the outside even possibly know what went on in the inside? It is totally possible to treat someone with love and care, and then turn your back and ignore. You can be kind and generous to the disadvantaged, and be critical and cruel to those closest to you. I am sure you had friends that you were close to and due to disagreements and perception you two are no longer friends. Relationships and interactions change person to person.

    She is valid to her truth. They are valid to their truth. And you are to yours.

    I will keep up with this story, and make public records requests for emails as I know about Florida’s Sunshine Laws. Hopefully, it will shed truth.

  7. Brittainy says:

    RE: Former director of APIA student Affairs responds to accusations:When people come here and say that after reading Krystie’s side of the story, AND after working with her, they saw and felt her care for her students, and other people, are saying “that’s not true, SHE’S the entitled one, she never cared” as if those statements are FACTS when they are inherently subjective just in nature AND you have not provided proof, furthers proves those people’s own lack of fairness, objectivity, and their impenetrable biases!

    There ARE other reasons and motivations that explain Krystie’s that are NOT nearly as malicious, and self serving! And if your are going to cry wolf, then you should be able to show a wolf and it should be able to be explained as misunderstanding or something else.

    These students and others are trying to crucify this girl, assassinate her character, and take away her livelihood! They want her permanently out of her career field!!! These statements and the actions of these students will have IRREVERSIBLE effects in Krystie’s life! If you are going to make statements that are THAT serious and you take action and express sentiment to permanently alter a person’s life and future, then you ABSOLUTELY should be required to provide irrefutable proof. ANYTHING LESS IS A WITCH HUNT!

    And honestly, the actions that these students have taken and continue to take on social media, this site etc. make the students look like bullies who have chosen to band together and use the power of numbers and teamwork to bully a person that they disagreed with!

    1. Gaby 2 says:

      RE: Former director of APIA if student affairs Responds to Accusations: I’m glad there are others sticking up for Krystie, but it’s like what Gaby said …do you really think they just said “hey we should ruin Krystie” out of whim? Why would they bully someone that again as Gaby pointed out more eloquently who they called “Mama Krystie?” The students would not go through all this trouble. The students who continue to take on action…seriously. Which one of us is one those students who have made such malicious acts? I will go on record and say I am not. I don’t think you are or Gaby or Vial or Vishal ….maybe YT? But then again, YT could be a friend of the wolf-crying bullying students. And if they are commenting on this thread…I would say they wouldn’t be commenting if they weren’t “suffering.” Again, where is the proof of anyone –these students who are apparently crying wolf, the students who love Krystie, and Krystie herself?? #StillWaiting #LetsSeeIt #HowDoWeQuantifyAndShowLoveWithProof #IAmStillAssumingThings #StillATrollingAss

      Brittainy for president! What a Nguyner she is!

      1. Brittainy says:

        RE: Former director of APIA Student Affairs responds to Accusations:Gaby, you should stick to websites that allow you to post memes. Trolling is much more entertaining with memes as opposed to the unwitty sarcasm you’re choosing to use. No one, other than you, said it’s not possible that abuse and traumatic experiences took place. I have said that from the stories that have been published, there isn’t evidence of Krystie abusing ppl and putting people’s lives in danger. Much less is there any sufficient reason to even believe that anyone could possibly have developed PTSD from their interactions with Krystie. 🙄
        If you said someone broke university policy, you would have to say how. Not, “just take my word she broke it”. So if you accuse someone of putting you in danger, I would ask HOW that person put you in danger. If you said someone abused you, I’d ask HOW. And the HOW is what’s lacking from the information in the articles. It’s not that the how doesn’t exist, but the “hows” have not been listed in the 2 articles given. If you’re trying to end someone’s career, then I absolutely do think you should provide evidence as to WHY that extreme is necessary and the best avenue. You don’t have to run for president, or even be a “Nguyener” to understand those comments. You just have to be less entitled and biasedly agressive. You know, not the type to label anything you don’t like as #FakeNews. Although if on the subject, your rhetoric definitely does sound very similar to our current president.
        The DSM actually IS the guide for all mental health professionals and in order for a medical diagnosis you have to meet the criteria. I can go around and say your trolling is traumatic and abusive to me. Ppl can SAY whatever they want. Doesn’t make it the true. That’s why criteria exists!

        Bottom line Gabby, if you think people should believe what the students say as valid, especially without further proof, then Krystie’s side is just as valid without further proof. If you want to argue facts against Krystie’s side, don’t get mad when your side is fact checked. And there are students who were there, that are here arguing FOR Krystie too. So more proof there’s multiple sides to this story. But I know that doesn’t fit your narrative.

  8. Gaby 2 says:

    You are literally saying what I am saying, but it seems that you can’t see beyond your own bias to see it. As for the narrative that I am spinning, I am just someone who took major interest in this “narrative,” as I’ve said that I am not one of Krystie Nguyen’s students. However, it seems you are a great story teller yourself using the words “crucify” and “witch hunt” …okay. You creatively use words likening Krystie to someone who is without fault like God or make her out to be some martyr. First, nobody is without fault. And those who are particularly religious…I think they would agree with me in saying that nobody is without sin. Second, as I have said I am waiting for EVERYONE to provide proof (this is one of the parts you and I agree). And I personally cannot wait to see if the other Gaby finds anything for all of us to be enlightened. However, I do hope that if there is evidence against Krystie supporting the even one of the claims the students made…that everyone will consider what that means for Krystie because right now that is playing to her current benefit because then this would just be a they said and she said story. So before you keep screaming for proof let’s really think how even the smallest of documentation can possibly prove one claim of the students and then let’s think about how devastating that would truly be for Krystie.

    Now, let’s Control-F this entire website …when did anyone use the words “abuse” or “danger?” It was you. Let’s ponder on that for a moment considering how you continue to accuse the others commenting on this thread of spinning a narrative.

    As for what you asked the students, you are correct because I know you being correct… The students did say she broke university policy. You asked how well let’s go back to their concrete examples that the other Gaby (with one b)…get the names right for your narrative…. pointed out as well as to answer your HOW were university policies broken: Breaking p-card policies…asking students to work or meet outside of the normal business hours (according to their website because I am not able to go and check myself)…sharing confidential personal information (assuming FERPA protected info). Again, it’s without proof as you and I have said countless times. #BrokenRecord

    DSM-IV..has many limitations and criticisms. It is used for diagnoses, and yes it has principles that are scientifically sound from a few powerful experts. However, DSM-IV even in professional settings create illusions of understanding, and can lead to biases and tunnel vision for some experts who use it by ignoring critical information and perspectives for criteria and definitions of disorders (ironic huh…seems like that’s we are doing…wouldn’t you agree). One huge weakness IMO is that it has cultural bias as being published by mostly white ppl and it uses “normal” behaviors of whites. And just because criteria exists doesn’t mean it’s correct and it should be something we abide with….to say “That’s why criteria exists!” can be said to how underrepresented groups are being treated in the US…for example the criteria for what is considered a US Citizen…the criteria that allows anyone stepping off a plane or walking down the street to be judged as a true US Citizen is completely sound and without limitations just like the DSM-IV…..

    Yes, I’ve called myself entitled because you know what I am and I am extremely privileged…but biasedly agressive? Scroll above I’ve agreed with you countless of times. Just like I agreed that to call something PTSD is incorrect and far-reaching (go ahead scroll up). But then again you are too biased yourself to see when someone agrees with you. And please stop mistaking me for the first Gaby …we are 2 different people.

    I sincerely hope for the best for everyone, and that the truth will come out, but many times it doesn’t. I will no longer entertain you Brittainy.
    I am sorry that this whole situation really bothers you, and I am sorry for an undue stress I’ve (specifically… just me) caused you. If you feel the need to reply to my comments and continue to call us commenters names go ahead, but know that I will not respond with someone who cannot even say one slightly positive thing for both ppl in the story. And if you do respond, I hope it gives your mind and heart peace.

    1. Brittainy says:

      RE: Former director of APIA Student Affairs responds to accusations: Gaby, just stop! Reading is fundamental. I never said I wanted proof of breaking policy. I said it’s the same as IF you said someone broke policy. If you accuse someone and try to end their career, you have to provide proof. That’s all I’ve said. And yes, again if you READ the student’s facebook post they have said that Krystie put them in danger and subjected them to abuse. THEIR WORDS! And finally, you obviously have no idea what you are talking about with the DSM. It’s written by the APA, which is made up of 117,500 members including scientists, educators, clinicians, consultants, and students! That 117,500 is made up of men, women, minorities, and professionals from all different countries of the world. Not just “white people” or only “a FEW powerful experts as you’ve said. (unless you consider over 100,000 ppl a few) Any mental health clinician is taught that there is no such thing as “normal” here nor in anywhere else in the world. And they should know NEVER to base anything off of such. Psychology always tries to account for cultural differences. Thank you for deciding to stop responding! It’s for the best, especially since your responses are only opinions of things that you clearly refuse to do the research or READING into. It’s really wasting everyone’s time here and stoping from productive conversation.

  9. Gaby says:

    RE: Former director of APIA Student Affairs Responds to Accusations: I’ve filed for records request. Let’s see what we get.

    Also, thank you Gaby 2 for your defense of me. As you are a troll because you’ve selected Gaby 2 as your name, I was a little bothered but I’m not offended.

    I also will not partake in tedious responses, but I will leave this article here for the students and anyone else to read.

    http://humannatureatwork.com/article/the-hidden-cost-of-workplace-trauma

  10. Ridiculous says:

    RE: Former Director of APIA Student Affairs Responds to Accusations: This is some piece. WHOA! And these comments. ROFL!

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